Hundred percent. Gotta use the bounce!
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My initial impression from the match is that @Soly playing the Truvis Chrome Soft cost him the match. If he switched to the LS a lot of those balls wouldâve held the greens better and landed softer.
Just listened to the full podcast as I hadnât had enough time before. Having played a few courses that are nine-holes with two sets of tees, I was surprised that @Soly said this was a new concept for him. But, it does sound like the course you guys played truly changed things up with those alternate tees. The ones Iâve played in the Bay Area, like Gleneagles and (I think) Northwood, donât dramatically change the hole (though on the first hole at Gleneagles it certainly adds an additional 80-100 yards and changes the angles).
Really appreciate how you guys arenât afraid to talk about why some courses werenât ideal for you, and also why you loved some more than others.
The biggest question from the podcast for Soly and @MerchCzar is, I guess, what flavor fudge?
Jumping in on the handicapping match play debate. The biggest argument for lower handicaps having an advantage in match play boils down down to one word: opportunity. Generally someone with a higher handicap tend to struggle the most off the tee and around the greens, the minute the nerves kick in higher handicaps donât have the ability to play âstockâ style shots to work themselves into a comfortable spot to build confidence.
The true ability of how well someone plays is measured far greater by the quality of their defense vs their offense. You have to be comfortable playing patient, otherwise youâre missing opportunities just because you are not meeting your own expectations.
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Two things.
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I just want to pay respect to @tron for the impact sound on that fairway wood at #14. Golf version of this: https://twitter.com/rocksintheof/status/1460356043213455362?s=21
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I definitely hear @Soly on the giving strokes in a match stuff. At my club thereâs a group of us between a +1 and 5 course handicap and rather than giving shots we just have the lesser player start as many holes up as he should be getting in shots.
So when I (5hcp) play a scratch I start 5up on the first tee and we go off the stick from there. Maybe less effective as a method if you were giving more than 6 or 7 shots. Starting 9 down could be a big chase.
We like it because the better player has the âadvantageâ of their opponent having to compete every hole without shots, but the lesser player gets their full complement of strokes even if theyâre getting beat and they might otherwise lose 3&2 with shots on the last two holes.
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nonsense.
High handicaps get there by way of making worse than bogey a number of times per round. The low cap/scratch player generally isnât making worse than bogey during a round. In match play those worse than bogey scores donât matter because itâs still only 1 hole.
The other factor is variability. The high handicap scores might vary by 10-15 shots on any given day. Averaging those 10 scores together to produce that 15 index includes scores from 80-95. So a âgood dayâ for a 15 handicap is 5-7 shots below their index.
Contrast that with the scratch player whose scores over the 10 rounds that count range from 70-76 or so. A âgood dayâ for a scratch player is a couple shots below their index. If both players play well relative to their potential, the high index player wins like 4&3.
Playing off full handicaps, the scratch player has to have a good to great day, and the high handicap has to have an average to bad day for the good player to win.
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However you have to take into account a low handicap could win a hole making bogey or worse, plus in match play you are always stroking off the low handicap so in extremely rare cases someone gets their full handicap playing against a zero. At the end of the day Soly handed it DJ, itâs funny how everyone forgets him and DJ went extra holes last season.
WIN a hole making bogey or worse? I donât think that has happened to me before. Iâve tied a hole making bogey, but not won.
That would mean the high index is making triple or worse, and even that doesnât happen very often.
Depends on what your definition of âhighâ is. Anyone 18 and over, triple is definitely in play.
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First I have to say I appreciate this discussion, another thing to take into consideration is that your index is calculated from your 8 best out of your most recent 20 scores. So when you look into the variable of score, your 12 worst scores arenât even taken into consideration of a measurement of your ability. Plus the odds of someone shooting your handicap or better is only around 20%.
Last thing most golf courses stroke indexes per hole have the odd numbers on the front and the even numbers on the back to benefit higher handicaps in match play so that if they are getting an odd number of strokes they will always get more on the front, Kingsley is a rare exception where there odd numbers are on the back.
Iâm a 11 handicap and can confirm that triple is in play depending on how Iâm hitting it that day. I think that the new handicap system definitely brings this more into play. My 8 rounds that count are all in the 80âs with a few 84âs and an 82. The rounds that arenât counting also include some in the 90âs with as high as a 95.
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Uhhhh, as a 10.1, I can assure you, triple is never out of play.
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triple is in play for the high cap just the same as double is in play for me.
if both the high cap and scratch play good golf, scratch has no chance. If they both play average, scratch has no chance. If they both play poorly, scratch has no chance.
If the high cap plays average, and the scratch plays well, scratch might win depending on the timing of good/bad holes.
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As a 10.8, same manâŚsame. Last round I had, went 37 (+2) on the front. Started triple, birdie, quad on the back. Quite the swing
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Handicaps are always a polarizing discussion in match play. Yesterday a buddy and I played nassau. I gave him 2 a side. We pushed the front, and ultimately pushed the back and match. I shot an 87 and he shot an 88. Think we both had our moments and played at about the same level. I played 8 over on a stretch over holes 13-16 on the back and was only 2 down with 2 to play. So I guess the handicaps worked here? Idk, its all kind of foreign to me.
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want to play 100% handicaps? fine. Stroke play and 18 cups and Iâm in. If Iâm giving you 10 shots weâll take 10 off the score at the end of the day and see where we end up.
match play? you should get 80% at most.
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I think to sum up the last week in here, sometimes handicapping favours the high-caps and sometimes it favours the low-caps. Just play better
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I might need to hear it again. Glad it worked so fast.
These are both objectively wrong.
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