If only we had stats that could tell us.
I’m a 17.2, and I made triple or worse on 16% of the holes I played, and double on another 24% this year. That means even giving a stroke a hole, you’re going to at least tie 40% of the time making bogey.
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As a native Michigander, there are only 2 varieties of fudge. Plain and with nuts (walnuts). Everything else is a bastardization of the art.
A hard line, I admit, but without standards the animals take over the zoo.
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That really tilts the odds in favor of the guy getting the holes. Holes are far bigger than strokes, especially since he’s guaranteed to get all of them. If you’re the five in that group, congrats to you for talking everyone into that agreement!
@tnord, the lower handicap wins the majority of matches. At 100% handicaps.
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The elephant in the room is DJ, the guy probably plays less golf than all of the NLU crew and spend half his time trying to hit his artisanal shots.
But someone who was once quoted as having “bogeyed the last to shoot 80” on his tombstone playing against someone who can shoot in the 60’s on an unseen course needs at least 7.
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I mean, based on the results, he clearly needs more shots because the scratch player has the advantage.
Can everyone stop bitching and moaning in both directions on handicaps and just be happy we all play a sport where everyone can compete against each other regardless of skill, even if it isn’t perfect?
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No.
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Both sides have the same argument
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In theory, that should be the case, but in practice we seem to get very few matches not reach the 18th and the win rates are pretty even/random.
Maybe there’s something about watching a lead disappear and knowing the opponent is better than you but you need to match him without shots to stop the bleeding.
it works for us and makes for exciting finishes so we like it.
Golf: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”
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I know you deleted it but thought it was a fun exercise anyways. Did 4 rounds within the last 2 months.
Course handicap 12, rated 70.5/127 - 5 net birdies
Course handicap 10, rated 70.2/119 - 1 net eagle, 4 net birdies
Course handicap 13, rated 70.5/136 - 1 net eagle, 2 net birdies
Course handicap 13, rated 71.4/131 - 1 net eagle, 2 net birdies
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Scratch players only gotta do it 8 out of 20 times…
It is a double elimination tournament, therefore the winner is the only one who hasn’t lost twice. I.e. you keep playing until there is only one person who hasn’t lost twice.
A 15+ is a 15+, right? Are you letting him play the same tees he used to get that handicap, or are you making him playing longer than he normally does?
I don’t get this, why would anyone ever give up the strokes they are entitled to? There is no negotiation in the GHIN system, I don’t believe.
That’s pretty much the definition of a high-handicapper…
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As much fun as this whole high cap/low cap discussion is, let’s take a quick moment to appreciate Kingsley Club and how much fun it looks. I’ll be honest and hadn’t ever heard of it until the lead up to this season, but wow. Just looks like continuous fun and lots of problem solving as you figure out each hole. Love DeVries’ work here and at the other courses they’ve highlighted so far. And the fact that it’s basic and just about the golf makes it even more appealing. Amenities at some courses can just get silly.
I know Tourist Sauce is mainly public courses, but I’d say Kingsley is easily the course I’d most want to play of all the private US courses they’ve played. Just looks fun and they did a great job showing it off.
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Thank you for explaining to us all how a double elimination tournament works. Do you mind explaining to me how in the below little league world series bracket Hawaii and South Dakota were eliminated even though they both only lost once?
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I don’t pay attention much to the LLWS. Is it a true double elimination? It looks like it is double elimination up to the semi-finals. That’s the only thing that makes sense.
The College World Series for example is true double elimination (if the undefeated team loses in the semi-final they play the same team again in a winner advances game) and then a best of 3 for the Championship.
Hence my question around what the format for the TS tournament is. I know they said it was akin to a CWS but DJ also stopped it at Match 8 in his description earlier (quoted below) so either it was set up more the way the LLWS is set up or the winner’s bracket winner wins Match 8 and he ruined it for us all!
That’s also why I labeled it “LL WS bullshit” in my original post because having a double elimination format until the finals of a bracket is real dumb.
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If an undefeated player loses Match 8, there’s a playoff on the Langford & Moreau course at Greywalls. 
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You see it a lot in pool tournaments. It’s called modified double elim. Double up to a certain point (in your example, semis), supposedly to help expedite the tournament and keep it constrained to a certain number of days.
Thank you for the clarification
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