Roll Call “Chicago” (Part 2)

Score relative to the rise of the rizzlers fame peak being on Jimmy Fallon

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I understand about 60% of this.

My suggestion would be ‘score relative to number of refugees on the course.’ Something tells me Shepherd’s is going to drive that through the roof.

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Hell yes!

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I can’t digest this all in this format. Could you mail over a tri-fold posterboard?

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And make sure the header is Mt. Prospect at 69%

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MP is number 1? Your algorithm may be broken

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@EConroy419 must be stuffing the ballot box again

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Hi Will, seeing as how your website copied all the data from my website as a foundation for everything on it, without any acknowledgement whatsoever, I think you need to rethink your strategy. There’s some smoking guns in your dataset that make it obvious it was a scraping copy/paste job. ParseHub? OctoParse? They are both effective.

It took me over 2 years to get all the golf course data loaded into GolfScout. Sure, maybe you can easily scrape a lot of the data from GolfNow, and I thought about doing that too at first. But guess what – I found a lot of that data is garbage and incorrect, so I wanted to do it properly. So I manually grabbed it from scorecards that I grabbed from each golf course I actually visited.

Also, the golf round price data is impossible to get accurately without doing the hard work of manually looking up prices for the 200+ courses individually. That took me A LOT of time and effort and is not something you can just take without acknowledgement. Maybe ask me first?

You need to rethink your approach here.

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Apropos of nothing-

@golfscout

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That’s it…get the torches out.

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As a devoted 2CGC Soldier and self proclaimed “enforcer” of the group, I hear by motion to ban @lonnylikes due to copyright infringement (cc @HighCottonClub)

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As impolitely as possible with no due respect, please go fuck yourself @lonnylikes. This community is not a place for you to steal someone else’s hard work and data to pass off as your own.

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The Roll Call thread is always active on a snow day :smiling_face:

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Hey guys,

My intention was not to try and steal anybody else’s hard work.

I am hoping to make a better way to rank golf courses.

To do this, I needed to build out a course database to launch this idea and found @golfscout 's website an incredibly helpful site. I have reached out to him privately as well.

The course catalogs are the same, but that would have been the case even if I manually went through every courses website. The facts of a course don’t really change and other sites like Golfnow/Golfpass have all this course data too. The core functionality of the site is not meant to be a catalog of all the courses, this just felt like a necessary feature since I was frustrated that most other golf course rankings sites do not include every single course. I was extremely grateful that something like Golf Scout existed since it made my idea easier to bring to life. I did not consider this stealing someone’s hard work.

I am deeply sorry this has caused an uproar. My intention was to just make a new resource that helps the community. This is my first time making a website and I guess I did not go about it the right way.

Hopefully, this explanation helps and I do not have to get banned.

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This statement is doing a lot of heavy lifting. You’re making the assumption that @golfscout just scraped this same data from some other source. As he mentioned, he did not. He actually visited these courses and paid them money and played them and ate their hot dogs and rated them, so us, his adoring fans, know whether they have a truly great or abysmal turn dog. He has likely taken years off his life consuming so many hot dogs, and then added those years back on by playing golf.

I think your idea of being able to customize what you value in a golf experience is a good one. I don’t think it’s particularly ground-breaking or novel. But execution is everything in product. Unfortunately it looks like you skimped on that part.

This sort of data usage is unfortunately widespread and individuals and companies seem to think that just because something is available via the public web they can do whatever they want. This is why we can’t have nice things and AI is eating the world.

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But you did.

Using someone else’s work without citing your source in any way. This feels like when my students copy/paste the Google AI and try to pass it off as their own.

You’re not the first person to only use this forum as a place to scrape data and grift their product without making any formal introduction or trying to get to know the people in it. Those people have been banned from events and that’s probably what will happen here.

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Yeah, but it took me 2 years to build the course catalog with accurate course info, not GolfNow’s out-of-date and inaccurate data. Took you a day to scrape it probably.

I was extremely grateful that something like Golf Scout existed since it made my idea easier to bring to life. I did not consider this stealing someone’s hard work.

Well that’s quite clear, lol. It took me 2+ years to just GET THE COURSE CATALOG CREATED. Hell, I’m not even done yet! I still have like 8 more courses to add to it from my backlog. Courses I visited over the summer, took pictures, grabbed scorecards, etc. How do you know I didn’t want to add a rating feature when I was done with it?

Listen, you got caught. I’m open to licensing the data. Otherwise I’ll just alter and/or poison it so scraping won’t be an option in the future.

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Imagine stealing someone else’s work without knowing they know how to create a website better than you lol.

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bringing up GolfNow just reminded me that GolfNow’s info fucking sucks. I appreciate all of the hard work and the hot dogs consumed @golfscout

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