Do you consider that a Christmas album? Nathan Hubbard apparently does.
Is Evermore a Christmas Album?
- Yes
- No
- Huh/Butthurt/Steve
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@Sarah since you voted yes, would “no body, no crime” land you on the naughty list or the nice list? 
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tis the damn season is on Evermore which is a Christmas song but the album isn’t.
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Yeah, I’m with you on that (and regard 'tis the damn season as a song that takes place at Christmas without being “a Christmas song”)… but NH disagrees:
Nathan has had an impressive career, and his brother is PGA Tour player Mark.
Nathan is one of my top guests to have on the NLU pod/Trap Draw…Not sure what the crossover would be for but I really enjoy his podcast ‘Every Single Album’
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I would vote not a Christmas album….but it does feel kind of winter-y if that makes sense. Maybe more of a January-February album. Or maybe it’s just bc it came out during covid.
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His brother is Mark Hubbard! He’s mentioned KVV (indirectly) on Every Single Album! Layup Trap Draw guest!
There is nothing more aligned with the spirit of Christmas than offing a shit husband
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I’ll throw my hat into the Top 5:
- Cruel Summer - “I love you. Ain’t that the worst thing you ever heard?” Jeff Magnum wishes he could layer emotion like this - +52 bonus points for being the Champagne cork release song that kicks off Eras tour shows.
- I Can Do It With a Broken Heart - “Lights, Camera, Bitch, Smile”, “I cry a lot, but I am so productive - it’s an art.” Bars on Bars on Bars on Bars
- Tim McGraw - “When you think happiness” an alarmingly sincere performance from someone that on paper shouldn’t have been capable of such things.
- the last great american dynasty - I had largely checked out of t-swift by the time Folklore dropped, my wife threw it on as we headed to do a COVID-era glamping trip. This song put pulled me into the album and back into her catalog.
- ATW 10 Mins - covered elsewhere. As a formerly young man, I live in fear of an ex-girlfriend singing this song and thinking about me. As a father of elementary aged daughters, I live in fear of the day they sing this song and think of some poor hapless dipshit that doesn’t even know he’s a dipshit.
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This changes on a weekly basis. Lately it’s been Dress
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Better that than them singing Dear John or Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve. Or TSMWEL. Or about ten others.
I wouldn’t call tlgad a banger. Great song, but is it a top five banger?
My final list (which is good for as long as it takes me to type it out, as it may change tomorrow…
I started with this:
I’m going to go with (numbers aren’t rankings, just counting to five):
- Shake it Off
- Cruel Summer
- I Can Do It With a Broken Heart
- Paper Rings
- We are Never Ever Getting Back Together
Yeah. That’ll definitely be slightly different over time. It’s like my match play between SP, PN, and MP.
And I’ll stump for Paper Rings any time. It’s just fun.
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Also, do we expect Debutation (TV) in early 2025? I think both have been done for awhile.
2020 - Folklore, Evermore
2021 - Fearless (TV), Red (TV)
2022 - Midnights
2023 - Speak Now (TV), 1989 (TV)
2024 - TTPD
Seems like a pretty clear odd numbered years = TV, even years = new album.
Those speculating Rep (TV) was coming out on the last night of the Eras Tour (I stayed up until 2:30 to watch the streams) weren’t using their heads. Best case… Taylor announces it on her birthday in a few days, for release in early 2025?
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Late to the conversation but the 10 minute version of all too well is too long. For examples of really long songs I love ill throw out Bohemian Rhapsody and Stairway to heaven. Typical white male stuff sure, but the songs evolve into different parts and change from beginning to end where all too well is just… more of the same song with some extra lyrics.
Not my tempo.
Nathan Hubbard ran TicketMaster when I worked at StubHub, and while TicketMaster is just as sleazy and shady as you think, Hubbard was always incredibly smart and savvy in how he ran things and talked about them. Hard to be a charismatic, likeable CEO of TicketMaster, but he did it for awhile
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This is very fair. The people next to us when we made the pilgrimage to see Tay-Tay timed this song and it came in at around 7:30. There’s some reason to believe that She even agrees it’s too long.
My personal lens is that it’s difficult to write a song period - to be able to keep the momentum up for 10 minutes without employing thematic changes or extended instrumental interludes while keeping the audience (reasonably) invested is fairly amazing. However, it needs to be noted that the audience’s relationship with the artist and work prior to re-release at the length gives it an unfair advantage in that department.
To @iacas point - there are definitely more scathing songs in her repertoire, hard agree. The emotional endurance it takes to put out 10 minutes of content that’s roughly “you’re a fuckboi and you don’t even know it” would hit me harder than “you know that you’re actively a manipulative asshole”.
That’s probably because I’m at an age where I’m generally more reflective than when I was actively dating and worry that I’ve hurt people more than I know. At this point I’m absolutely sure I have. And, I’m worried about my kids going out into a world where they’ll be hurt by people that don’t even know they’re hurting others. In the meantime, because of this song I’ll try to be kinder and I’ll cherish the car rides and living room dance parties before my girls knew that someone could hurt them like that.
Also late to the party, but my top 5 TS songs. Was really hard to rank them
- Cruel Summer (absolute banger and will always scream the bridge)
- Fearless (Takes me back to my high school days when I was a fat kid in love with all the girls and just wanted one to like me)
- ATW 10-minute
- August (Folklore is my favorite album)
- Lover (Bias because played this as our cake-cutting song so it just takes me back to that)
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You started like 2y after me and it’s funny how different the company was by then cuz everyone who started before me (and me) despised anything and anyone associated with TM and couldn’t admit any of them had any positive trait.
His post corporate persona is jarring to me
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It’s funny to me how different these lists seem to be.
My list (today, it could change tomorrow):
11-Debut
10- TTPD
9- Fearless
8- Speak Now
7- Lover
6- Evermore
5- Midnights
4- Red
3- Folklore
2- 1989
1- Reputation
Could easily change tomorrow. I feel pretty good about 11-8, but 7 to 3 or 4 would be highly volatile. And though I don’t love TTPD, I think it’s an album she had to write.
(A student asked me for my top three albums and I feel pretty good about those too. And Delicate might be my favorite song.)
Anyway, share your ranking if you’d like.
P.S. I’m mostly surprised at how badly Reputation ranks on those two lists. And I had to edit as I didn’t realize it had modified my list to go from 11 to 21. 
1989 >
I have a soft spot for her debute album because that was all she had the first two times I saw her in concert.
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