Roll Call: Minnesota Part 2 - SIM MEETUP post 9471

NCC should at least win 10. Any green where you have go from having a downhill 10 footer for birdie to a 65 yard wedge in the fairway is worth the price of admission (WBYC 10th is similar short uphill par 4 but just not as crazy IMO).

The greens are nuts at NCC. I played it the day after the Spooner and honestly could not believe how brutal they were. I assume they aren’t that spicy all the time but I did end up putting off of 3 greens and was left a bit shell shocked, so long story short pick WBYC if you want to keep any shred of confidence in your putting afterwards.

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Tell me which 10 you think Northland wins. Overall, I already said Northland wins on greens. WBYC wins on tee to green. I love a great view of Lake Superior as much as anyone here, but nice views of a big lake miles away come in second compared to the actual topography of the golf course

I read his comment as hole 10 (the hardest par 4 in the state) beats WBYC hole 10. I personally hate the hole but hard to argue against it.

That makes more sense, but I still disagree. Hole 10 at Northland is the most overrated hole on the course IMO. Hit drive into fairway, hit steep uphill shot to the green. Make sure you don’t putt it off the front or else you roll down 60 yards. It’s fine but feel like a little too much hype for what it is.

Now, I’m all ears to discuss how Northland’s 17/18 finishing combo should make WBYC feel embarrassed by comparison.

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10 at Northland as the hardest hole in the state has to be a bit. It’s not even the hardest par 4 on the course. Hell, it’s not even the hardest par 4 on the back nine!

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What are holes 14 and 18 Alex?

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Par 4s at Northland ranked by difficulty:

18 (and it’s not even close)
7
3 (ever been on in 2…and then again in 4?)
14
16
10
all the rest

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there’s no way #10 at Northland is the hardest par 4 in the state.

Everybody takes everything too literally on here! Hardest hole in the state is a stretch but IMO (or at least the way I play out there) hole 10 edges out hole 18 for difficulty. I don’t personally see how 7,3, 14 or 16 are more difficult but that is the beauty of this game that we can have different opinions.

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What’s the hardest par 4 in MN?

If we’re saying hardest hole is the average score, I’d nominate #2 at TPC. I’m sure there are worse.

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Def agree on 2 at TPC. From the tips it’s basically impossible.

Other noms

14 at Rush Creek
11 at Chaska
3 at Baker
16 at Columbia
7 at Como

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This is a good nom. That hole is either a comfy par or a tough double.

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I am going to play the tired new Dad card here (I am not thinking clearly at the moment) as I did mean to just say hole 10 on NCC over WBYC. I agree with the rest.

Also I don’t agree that 3, 14, and 16 are harder than 10… am I the only person to putt off the front? Then have a crazy uphill lie and chunk a wedge in the FW only to have my 5th shot further away then my tee shot.

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#14 and #15 at Windsong
#14 at Rush Creek
#9 at Spring Hill
#5 at White Bear could probably be in the conversation and #16 if played as a 4
#6 at the Royal is pretty tough
#14 at Midland is tough if i recall

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I think it’s ok to think holes are the “hardest” when you’re comparing your game to them. I DO NOT think it’s ok to judge a hole as worse because you can putt off the green. 10 at WBYC is a great opening hole (I personally think they reversed the 9s at some point, and #1 is a mother of a bitch as an opening hole, good 10th), with a nice defensive green (if necessary) and a decent “just after the turn” hole as well. If we start judging a hole because you can putt off the green and end up with a 65 yard shot, your’re not gonna want to see a bunch of holes at Augusta, #1 at Sand Hills, #18 at Minikahda, #4 at Interlachen, etc, etc, etc.

#15 at Windsong is indeed hard af.

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yes…that would be up near the top of my list. Windsong is such a great course tho…as you know.

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*Waiting for @bobs219 to chime in and say “8 at Inver Wood” for hardest Par 4 in the State :eyes:

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