Because the downside protection is always there in a net game, whether you’re doing net stroke double max, net stableford, or this. You NEED to do that when you have a spread of HCPs. I’m focused on the upside because that’s what’s different about the quota game (no net birdies) relative to every other net game that would be played.
I want to know what @OffTheDole @ColoniusFunk and @Mwilhelm10 were looking at?
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Look, I get it. The numbers from our weekend do seem to point towards the fact that the structure may favored us high cappers. But theoretical numerical arguments could be made on both sides. Who can say fer shuurr.
Full disclosure: I did feel a bit scummy, sitting in a cart next to a gui who needed 30+ points, while I needed a measly 13. It was embarrassing. I also felt bad once @MrVinegar206 told me I had a lead over him, @Fluff, and @TravReid on the tee box of our last hole; how could they not be pissed at me after they were forced to watch me spray the ball all over Jax Beach Saturday morning. And after the result was final, the anticipation of 80+ MUUUCCCCHHH better golfers snickering and rolling their eyes at me throughout the final round as I topped tee shots and sliced my way in and out of the trees and into the water was suffocating. This, OF COURSE, is not a referendum on any of the guise there, as these fears weren’t EVER realized and were proven to exist only in the darkness of my mind; everyone was SUPER supportive, and those guise I mentioned above and everyone else couldn’t have been more congratulatory and nicer. Buuuttt, most of us, and especially the good golfers, made the trip to Florida to win. And I can’t blame them for their competitive spirit. Members of my family said it best: “How’d you finish T-3rd?!?!? You suck!” So I definitely see that side of it.
However, part of me also is able to overcome that Catholic-guilt. I ran the track that was set up before me, I played the hand that was dealt. I felt like I scrambled my ass off to make those bogies and pars. The game is in a place where I can get to a lower cap soon, I hope; I just need to keep the ball in play.
i don’t know what I’m trying to say other than its a roller coater of emotions fer shuuur. But what has not gone up and down or oscillated, were my feelings for this weekend and all the people who were there. Can’t wait to run it back next year.
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This discussion has been extremely helpful because now I know the format is why I didn’t make the finals and not the *checks notes* 11 balls I hit into the water over three rounds.
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Green Shorts?
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100% agree
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I remember this vividly. I saw @tj_denawli across the tent but just thought to myself… wait I just saw him behind me but then realized it was @ColoniusFunk
This happened 8-9 times this weekend. Pretty sure they were swapping shirts to confuse me.
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It shouldn’t be too hard for the app to keep a running tabulation of gross scores, too. Then the best player can get a pat on his back, @Lazstradamus will have the satisfaction of knowing that he finished t62 in the gross competition, and nobody will have to complain about the fact that their “sort of net” score was better than somebody else’s “sort of net” score were it not for the format.
I’m not talking about vs. net games. I’m talking about the tourney as a one off.
Sight unseen, a true 20 HC has a much better chance of winning a modified quota tourney than a true scratch. The evidence from this tourney is pretty convincing and actually professionals like @iacas who have a much deeper understanding of distribution of scores across handicaps than you or I confirm as much.
I’m done w/ this conversation. We’re just arguing until we are all blue in the face despite all evidence.
(again, this is not a criticism of the format. I like quota)
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What started as cheeky and fun feels like it’s tilted into Butthurt and/or Dense.
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Yes, I agree it’s pretty convincing that the overwhelming percentage of qualifiers from the preliminary tournaments, were low handicappers. @Iacas keeps babbling on about non-linear scoring favoring high handicappers (which makes perfect sense when net points are being kept, but is totally wrong with respect to this quota game).
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As it often does
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I’m a pro instructor - and I know some stats for various levels of handicap, etc. But don’t give me too much credit here, as this isn’t truly an area of any expertise. I know a bit, and some of that comes from working with regional golf associations and handicapping. But I’m not a “pro handicapper” or something.
High handicappers have an advantage in basically all games that are actually played at 100% handicap because of their higher variance in score, both hole-to-hole and round-to-round, given enough of a sample size. This stuff doesn’t totally apply to one-vs.-one type situations: the lower handicapper will win those more frequently (but also by smaller margins than the higher handicapper when he wins).
And, @anon47037505, I have only said that non-linear adds to the advantage given to higher handicappers. Higher handicappers (as a group) have an advantage in a linear quota game, too. Also, the quota game is mildly non-linear, since there are no negative points, IIRC.
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I am Steve?
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I entered my scores for all rounds on Saturday and accidentally put my 80 from Friday morning as being played Saturday. Got screwed out of my hard earned PCC
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Also, I know @JCO apparently won, but I don’t even know who else was in the finals, etc. Because of the flighting, because of the number of participants, because of a lot of things, the results from this can’t be taken as any sort of actual barometer. Even something that happens 1% of the time happens once every hundred tries, and this was only one run at something.
People are really bad at understanding odds. You can choose the right play in sports, but unless it has a 100% success rate, there’s a chance it may fail, and that doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right/best choice at the time.
P.S. The more rounds you have, the more the favor shifts ever so slightly toward the low handicapper in a linear (including negative points for higher scores). But the three rounds (or four?) played here, with a slightly non-linear points structure wasn’t enough to do that at all.
P.P.S. @NineTo5Golf, your handicap administrator can adjust the date for you.
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Fun fact: my MySpace name used to be J Fig the Damaja
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you hate to see that. I also forgot to put in “C” which looks cool next to a score but i’m not gonna email my club to request this change
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