I have watched a lot of Joe Mayo interviews. He’s such a peculiar and interesting individual with a ton of knowledge about how he sees the golf swing. But man, I think that was his most electric pod interview yet. Great job @Soly and @KVV ; I cringe at a lot of the language but man, dude stays on fire. I can appreciate the heck out of it. Thoroughly enjoyed!
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if we could reignite the list of all time podcast guest menaces, Joe Mayo definitely belongs near the top.
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Real mix of emotions after I got done watching this one on Youtube (loved it) and then opened Instagram, only to see that Mayo’s father passed away today. At least he was right at his father’s side when he passed.
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I’m about to get lost in the sauce and I couldn’t be happier. One of the best interviews I’ve ever watched.
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I think I’m gonna fire up the video version and take notes like I’m back in college. Absolutely amazing episode
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Known Joe for 15 years now… wouldn’t expect anything less from him. 
@Soly and @KVV, though Joe isn’t by any means “wrong” and though I’m more on that side of things (you can’t argue basic facts or math, what you can maybe argue are some of what players can or should do, what shots call for, what can work, etc.) you could get Brian Manzella or Parker McL on to hear a little from the other side of things. Then again, you’re not an instructional pod, so…
Anyway, for those wanting to learn a bit… here’s a supercut of some videos. Here’s a shot that might have been 20° down… to horizontal, because Rory might be hitting off a 10° downslope in the same Ryder Cup.
And I’ve written a bit about this, too, and it’s free to read if you find it. As always, I recommend you learn a variety of shots. The low spinner is one of them. Some of you will feel more comfortable shallower and using a little more bounce. Some will love this type of shot. Great players can hit them all.
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Let me say, it was a heavy NLU podcast day. As good as the Mayo interview was, the Ball Knowers pod was absolutely awful. I spent more time trying to hear any one guy say anything. They were so terrible talking over each other the whole time. And I’m not sure @Randy or @Tron know what a football is!
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Joe Mayo going hard for Brian Gay reminded me of when I would stan for middle of the pack baseball players.
Me: “Mark DeRosa was the best pound for pound baseball player for the 2007-2008 Chicago Cubs. He could play every position! I don’t care what the numbers say!”
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I mean, his short game was pretty good. Unfortunately, for a long time, his short game was an accurate description of his driver.
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Would I take every lesson I could from Joe Mayo? Yes. Would he be on the list of horrible people to take a 12 hour road trip? Also yes.
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I did enjoy Joe saying something along the lines of “I never said you shouldn’t shallow the club” about three minutes after saying “shallow the club, all that shit people say”
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If I lived in Vegas and had the money I’d show up at this guy’s place tomorrow. Got me all jacked up to get steep.
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I haven’t gotten all the way through this pod yet because I started listening to it in the car with my son… whoops.
I am a mediocre chipper who generates almost no spin at all. I’ll be doing a deep dive on spin loft when I have a moment.
I did see this post from Manzella from last year. @iacas I see you chimed in.
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You’d have to take a flight — Joe’s in TN now.
And @jobu415, yeah. I like Brian just fine, and I like Joe just fine. They’re both unique, too. I think in this “discussion” they’re talking a bit past each other. Even Brian says “pitch” and Joe is talking about low spinning chips.
The math is that you can generate 55° of spin loft with an AoA of -3° if the dynamic loft is 52°. It’ll still spin exactly the same. But it’ll launch closer to 40°.
Whether you’re capable of skimming the ground with a 3° AoA or not is where the nut of the debate is. Joe is on the side that it’s easier for golfers to hit the ball solidly from a variety of lies at -12°, Brian is on the side of -4° or whatever being fine.
I’ll only add that I measured my flop shots two years ago when this all started… and they were routinely -6°.
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Could be totally wrong, and I’m sure Joe would want to shoot me for saying it.
I got the sense that what he’s advocating for is really awesome pros and elite players. To ask me to make consist, ball-first, steep contact at my skill level feels tough.
A more bounce first short game shot feels like it has a higher range of okay outcomes for the average players but certainly might not maximze great outcomes.
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watched this whole video and I really don’t understand the point he was trying to make. It basically seemed like “I found it hard to achieve the launch conditions Joe talked about therefore those conditions aren’t good.” Which i don’t really think is a strong rebuttal.
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Be careful, get lost in the sauce, don’t lose your game!
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No. Not really. But…
Yes, if you have the margin of error needed to pull off a “use the bounce” type of shot. Balls sitting up in the rough? Sure.
Like I’ve said, I think golfers should be able to do all of these types of things. Consider it endpoints on a spectrum. Most shots are somewhere in between.
I’m not sure I saw a point either.
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As a lifelong Atlanta Brave, I can understand your affinity for DeRosa. I always found that he was a good dude and easy to root for.
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