Trap Draw: Chop Sessions

Would have been harder to botch if he was just handing the ball off there.

Reality is that the Eagles put together touchdown drives of 66, 75, and 91 yards against the best defense in football. Maybe the individual stat lines don’t look great but the unit is V good.

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Yeah and all of those drives were buoyed by 3rd down penalties of which at least half were extremely questionable. Not exactly a dominant offensive performance.

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Do they take those sour grapes and make wine with it to serve at Levi’s Stadium?

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Gotta stand up for my boy, Craig. Top 15 all time on 2B WAR. Almost everyone around him on the list is in. (Side note - Cano is an interesting one)

3000 hits, 6th all time in doubles, 4 gold gloves, 7x all star (both as a Catcher and 2B!)

Sure he played a long time and racked up some stats, but he wasn’t a negative WAR player until his last year. All time great Astro and one of my favorites.

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Niners were absolutely bodied by the Eagles run blocking. Armstead and Kinlaw had no shot.

Penalties didn’t help and yeah they were occasionally ticky-tack, but the slow bleed by Eagles would’ve won out anyway IMO. Was the perfect gameplan once Purdy was hurt.

My sour grapes come from the no catch. Shanahan should’ve at least called a timeout there. There wasn’t anything to lose at that point. Truly feel that was a sliding doors moment.

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#NFLRigged

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Why would the NFL go to the trouble to rig a No Contest? @Pooshdaddy has all sides covered here, truly.

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Harvested right on time!! Moet Shandon!!

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Tron’s reaction to “white Vick” made my whole day

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*Chandon.

And Poosh, I’m still shook by your drinking vino at Levi’s stadium comment. Making me reassess my 9ers fandom if we’re being honest.

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Was that not a Shanahan pun?

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I’m an idiot. Also potentially dense/butthurt.

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Again, no offense to Craig but outside of a span from 1994-1999 he was just a good 2nd basemen. Him having less WAR than guys who played 2-4 less years than him does nothing for me.

Also, Gold Glove is a pointless, reputation based award that I all but ignore. Rafael Palmeiro won a GG playing ONE HUNDRED TWENTY EIGHT GAMES AT DESIGNATED HITTER. (Source: Searching For A Defense Of Rafael Palmeiro's 1999 Gold Glove - SBNation.com)

If Chase Utley gets into the HoF they need to burn the building down and start over in my opinion.

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No. It’s pre-scripted

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Richard Justice was on the Tony Kornheiser show and he talked about the real problem for the Hall is the dichotomy of voters. Those who want a small Hall compare a guy like Rolen to Ruth, Mantle or Robinson and then, no he isn’t a Hall of Famer. Other voters see it as a constantly moving target where the Hall should represent the era and compare Rolen to his peers. Then, you could make the case with a bunch of All-Stars and Gold Gloves, that he should be in the Hall as one of the best of his era at his position. But that leads to a larger Hall where it seems like everyone is getting in. I lean more towards your line of thought in it should only be the very best of the best but his comments at least helped me to see the other side of the argument.

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I’m not sure where on the scale I land but I’ve always viewed the Hall as the players who stood out head and shoulders above their peers. Guys who were constantly threatening to win MVPs/Cy Youngs and sustained a great level of production for most of their careers. The exception to this is guys who are Top 5 in their position but don’t stack up to others. Catchers and relief pitchers are the big example since their careers tend to be shorter and the stats don’t jump off the page as much.

I’m thinking that leads me towards the small hall mentality but seeing guys play for 16-20 years and maybe be Top 3 in MVP voting once, maybe twice is not a guy I see as the HoF type.

A perfect example is a guy like Chase Utley coming up. His WAR supports him having a shot but you can never sell me on a guy like him being a hall of famer, he never finished inside Top 5 of MVP voting. I think that should matter.

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“If you take away a players six best seasons they are just good, not great”

There is something to be said for legitimate longevity and production through that lengthy career. It’s not everything, but it’s not nothing.

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Barry Bonds not being in the baseball HoF makes this entire argument pointless as the very institution itself is irrelevant.

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My point is those 6 seasons aren’t great enough to ignore an otherwise solid but nothing special career. Craig’s peak was two Top 5 MVP finishes, that’s Hall of Fame worthy?

The real takeaway is seeing Altuve has a very good shot of making the HOF and folks will be throwing out takes

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