Your Ryder Cup - if Tourney starts next week


#101

Is it a good thing or a bad thing for the U.S. team that Rory is likely the 5th best player on the Euro team right now?


#102

Brian Harman is bucking his head early at the Travelers. Would love to see him have a high finish and strong summer. Webb seems like one of the nicest guys out there but BH seems like he’d be an absolute savage match play guy.


#103

Some next-level strategy by Casey, giving up this tournament to Bubba to ensure he makes the team on points, resulting in favorable matchups for the Euros in the RC.


#104

Is it too late to move the RC to Riv, Augusta, or Hartford?


#105

I figure this is about the time to start looking at standings seriously.

Euros: Strangely, I think this team is really close to being set already.

Euro points list: there’s a 5-man breakaway at the top: Hatton, Rose, Fleetwood, Molinari, Noren. Top 4 qualify. However, with the lead these guys have in points over 6th place, plus their standings in the world points list, it feels like all 5 are going to make the team. Well, Noren could be the outsider, finishing 5th in both lists and then getting shunned in the captains’ picks, but today’s win might be the clincher for him.

World points list: Rahm and McRib seem to be safely in. Noren and Casey have the other two spots. Noren is a lock as noted above, and the other 3 are super-obvious locks anyway. Ideal scenario for Bjorn may be for these 8 guys to hold their positions and hope no stragglers win their way in.

Captain’s picks: Poulter, Sergio, and Stenson are all reasonably high enough in the world points list to make them super obvious picks. If one of them moves up, great, but that’ll just mean a captain’s pick for Casey or whoever instead. Only real drama is the 12th pick. Seems like a two-man choice between Fitzpatrick and RCB.

All the big names of yesteryear (McDowell, Westwood, Donald, Kaymer) are too far back. So is Pieters. If you wanted to make a case for Ross Fisher, okay I guess. But I see no other real choice. But whoever is the 12th guy, he’s likely not playing more than once anyways.

Only real bad scenario for them right now would be Oleson or Fisher bagging enough Euro points to get in the mix on that list, or a random Euro winning The Open. And that would only bounce Fitz/RCB. Also, they need to figure out how to give everyone playing time. Usually the Euros bury a couple players deep on their bench. This week really went a long way to solidifying this roster; two of the borderline candidates (Noren, Molinari) basically locked up spots.

'Murica: Koepka, DJ, JT, Bubba, Reed are practical locks on points. Spieth and Fowler can be caught on points, but they’re in pretty good shape when you compare their raw total of points to everyone lower than 10th in the standings. Plus they’re locks as captain’s picks, so let’s assume they’re there either way.

8th spot is pretty tight between Bryson, Webb, and Phil…but at this point, it feels like all 3 are practical locks by hook or by crook. Webb makes a fine Bubba caddy, Bryson’s earned his way on, and Phil is Phil.

It would take a lot for anyone else to jump into an auto qualifying position. Kuchar and Harman could get there without winning, with a few high finishes; basically everyone else needs a win as part of their equation. These are the two spots I could see go down to the wire, with Furyk just waiting to see who’s in good form. Tiger jumping into the Top 30 is big; it’s an easier sell as a pick if he works his way up the list a bit more.

I’d love to see Harman in a match-play format, but I fear there’s no room (and no natural partner available). Finau and Xander are 13th and 14th right now; I have a feeling they’ll have to force Furyk’s hand to make the team. Everyone else is off the consideration board unless they really go nuts (feels like we’re done with ZJ, Sneds for good; maybe Jimmy Walker sneaks in somehow).

For pods, you can pencil in Reed/Spieth/Bubba/Webb (not like those two groups will split up anyways), Fowler/Phil/Bryson/JT, and Tiger/DJ/Koepka/X. Tiger/Kuchar feels like a natural pairing. If we assume Phil/Bryson is fait accompli, and you select Finau or Xander, who do you pair them with? I’m not really finding a natural pairing.

Prediction:

USA:
Reed/Spieth (plays 4x)
Fowler/JT (plays 3x)
DJ/Koepka (plays 3x)
Webb/Bubba (plays 2x)
Tiger/Kuchar (plays 2x)
Phil/Bryson (plays 2x)

Euros:
McRib (plays 4x)
Rose (plays 4x)
Stenson (plays 4x)
Sergio (plays 4x)
Rahm (plays 4x)
Poults (plays 3x)
Casey (plays 3x)
Fleetwood (plays 3x)
Hatton (plays 3x)
Molinari (plays 2x)
Noren (plays 1x)
RCB (plays 1x)
A couple players always get buried on the end…they can take a session away from Hatton/Fleetwood if they struggle, and maybe a couple of Stenson/Sergio/Poults/Rose may need a rest once.


#106

It’s gonna be fun watching the US guys carve some big drives into the lakes while Fleetwood and Molinari just arrow darts down the middle and right at pins. Watching Shipnuck’s heart break and you all scratching your heads thinking “But look at our team! We should walk this easy :disappointed:” And all of us Euros sitting back smugly and replying “World rankings mean bugger all at the Ryder Cup. We’ve told you that before and we’ll say it again.”


#107

Both teams are stacked - I think the betting line will be close to even. Neither squad has those bottom of the lineup no-names that have periodically plagued each side over the years. I’d be comfortable with every one of those Euros in a big spot and all the Americans except Webb (maybe Bubba but really who knows with him?)


#108

Cat pairs with Bryson, the bromance is strong with them, regular practice round partners now.

On current form, Spieth is a liability to this team. There, I said it.

Euro team is a fascinating mix of steady Eddies (Rose, Stenson, Casey) and boom/bust players (Rory, Rahm, Poulter).


#109

/reads @Technochocolate’s Ryder Cup team rosters
//sees Webb Simpson listed


#111

#112

I don’t even feel like waiting - so here’s rough estimates at the new US standings:

Koepka IN
DJ IN
Captain America IN
JT IN
Bubba IN
Spieth 5150
Rickie 4620
Webb 4275


DeChambeau 4240
FIGJAM 4120
X 3800
Kuchar 3715
Kisner 3330
Finau 3275
Harman 3240
Na 3065


Tiger 2340

First off, TIger’s going to be in if this is his current form. Note he doesn’t even make it on points yet if he wins Bridgestone - he needs that plus some more.

Na won a couple weeks ago - I file him under the Brian Harman category of “I’d love to see what he could do in a team setting but I don’t know who I want removed to make room for him”. I wouldn’t mind Kisner either, and he at least jumps up into captain’s pick range now.

The other big move is Schauffle. And now the captain’s pick situation is a bit more convoluted than before. Webb into the 8th spot, can’t tell if that’s a good thing or a bad thing - I have a sneaky feeling he’d be picked as a Bubba caddy anyways. But if things stay the way they are…they’re never leaving Tiger off and never leaving Phil off at 10th in the standings. And if Kuchar is close…

That could mean Bryson v Xander v Kisner for the final spot. With Finau lurking.

In a perfect world, I’d have Bryson and Xander play their way into the top 8. That way Rickie, Phil, and Tiger can be captain’s picks and we can select Kuchar over Webb because reasons.

Euros:
Euro points: Molinari, Rose, Hatton, Fleetwood
World points: Rahm, Noren, McRib, Casey
obvious captains picks: Stenson, Garcia, Poulter

Just about the same situation as a few weeks ago, only Molinari took the doubts out of his automatic qualifying. Among the top 8, only Casey is in legitimate danger of falling out, but he’s an obvious captain’s pick, and Garcia and Stenson are two of the closest chasers.

Fitzpatrick is actually closest to Casey’s spot…he’s be #12. I think Russ Knox has leapt into that discussion for that spot along with Fitzy and RCB. Oleson and Pepperell did pick up some points to be more or less even with them in the standings, but I’m guessing RC experience will be the deciding factor. Not much to write about here.


#113

For the US here is how I see things

9 Sure Things: DJ, Brooks, Spieth, Reed, JT, Rickie, Bubba, Tiger, Phil

Leaves 6 guys going after 3 spots: Webb (Currently in on points), Kisner, Xander, Kuchar, Bryson and Finau

There are only 3 tournamnents left to get in on points (RBC, Firestone and PGA). Of the 6 guys going for 3 spots only Finau, Kisner and Kuch are playing the RBC. If one of them wins, gotta think Webb will be kicking himself for sitting it out.

If I’m Furyk, Im hoping Tiger or Phil win the PGA to get the 8th qualifying spot and allows him 3 non-Tiger/Phil captains picks. (I’d pick Finau, Kisner and Kuch)


#114

These are the US pocks so far: Brooks, DJ, Reed, JT, Bubba, Spieth, Rickie, Phil, Tiger. Three spots left.

Kuchar hasn’t had a great season. That being set, his veteran status would ordinarily slot him in for a captains pick if even he’s sitting at 12. However, this isn’t a normal year. Two of the picks are going to Phil (10) and Tiger (20). I think going with some combination of Bryson, Finau, and Xander might be more enticing. If Kuchar plays well over the next month, and possibly creeps up to 9 or 10 in the standings, it would be hard for him to not be picked. But he has a lot of work to do. If Webb holds onto the 8th spot, that will really hurt Kuchar as well. If he isn’t getting to 8, then he needs to root hard for Phil to wake up and grab the last automatic spot in order to free up a captain’s pick.


#115

Another thing I forgot in my projections: pairings. If we assume the Top 7 plus Tiger are locks:

Spieth/Reed
JT/Fowler
DJ/Koepka
Bubba/?
Tiger/?
?/?

This is why I have a bad feeling about Webb, he slots into that Bubba pairing well. Also Tiger/Kuchar has worked well in the past.

So if Phil is a lock, all of a sudden, number 12 will likely come down to whoever Phil likes to play with the most. That seems to be Bryson at this point.

If we don’t take Kuchar, I wonder how Tiger feels about the likes of Xander, Kiz, or Finau.

But if Tiger is willing to pair with Bubba, that opens up two full pairings for the captain’s picks.


#116

My God. That sounds worse than Hal Sutton pairing Tiger and Phil together.

Tiger would probably take Bryson. They seem to play practice rounds together every week. Phil could pair with Kisner like at the President’s Cup last year.

I’ve started to accept that Webb is going to find his way onto this team and it makes me extremely sad.


#117

If thats the case then it might already be settled


#118

I find it interesting that people are assuming JT/Rickie as an automatic pairing already just because they are part of the SB2K crew. Rickie is Switzerland and can play with almost anyone, so why not pair him with Bubba? That would free up JT to play with Phil, or heaven forbid, Phil with Bryson.


#119

I think the assumption has more to do with them playing 3 matches together and going 2-0-1 last fall.


#120

Ben Crane and Hunter Meagan watching Rickie and Bubba play together in a Ryder Cup:

#GolfBoys4Ever


#121

Fair enough, but you could have played left handed with either guy in the President’s Cup and maybe had a similar record.

My point is, Bubba seems to be this player that nobody wants to, or can pair with. I think Rickie is the X factor in the fact he can likely play with any other team member with a high degree of success.