I think we’re agreeing then. I’m not saying the critique is fine dining is bad, the last two seasons have served as an exploration of the lengths they have go through to build something even close to the French Laundry. It’s often relationship-destroying, soul-sucking work that sends people into bankruptcy due to the standard set by people like Keller. That’s part of the pressure put on Carmy and drives him to be toxic (among many other things).
Sugar and her mother reconciling for all the bullshit her mother put her through isn’t character development?
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some of y’all didn’t grow up in incredibly psychotic, selfish, & manic italian-american families and it shows.
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No, not really. What does it change in either the story or even in the universe as a whole? Sugar isn’t going to be a different person, react differently, or say different words to anybody except her mother. From a television perspective, a supporting character and a side character of a supporting character made amends during a traumatic experience.
Even for this show that is perfectly ok with taking the rule book and throwing it out the window, it’s a bit much to devote an entire episode to that.
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Right, which is what this whole season is showing. First season is them trying not to lose the restaurant, second is them trying to build up the bear, and the third is what happens when it actually opens and it’s time to put money into action; then they immediately realize how much harder it actually is to do than just talking about it, and they revert back to the drowning they were doing in the first season. Only this time they aren’t going to magically find half a million dollars in some sauce cans to bail them out. They have to actually make it work, and Carmy has to get his shit together before he drives everyone away. This is why I don’t understand why people think this season didn’t go anywhere. It did go somewhere, it did advance the story, but this part of the story takes place over a couple months instead of almost a year like the second season did
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This but hillbilly-Irish
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Sugar being at peace with one of the two biggest traumatic experiences of her life isn’t going to change her? Especially as she’s becoming a new mother? I guess I just flat out disagree. Especially now that she’s not just a side character, she’s a big part of the show. And her forgiving her mother and having a closer relationship with her is the first step to getting carmy to do the same, which would hopefully bring him some peace and allow him to stop being such a shitty person to be around
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Right, but those threads were actually resolved before the end of seasons one and two. You know, an actual complete season of TV. This time, we just live in it and have to deal with a cliffhanger.
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People have different opinions of what they want in a TV show. please god stop trying to convince everyone that this season was brilliant and moved the show forward in significant ways.
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Not really. Season 1 ended with us not knowing if they’d be able to keep the money, if they’d be able to make this whole thing work in a very working class neighborhood, or if the staff would be willing and able to adapt. Season 2 ends with Carmy having alienated everyone, and Marcus’ mom dying while he was at work having a breakdown. Neither season ended in a way where all the stories were resolved. They also weren’t filmed back to back like this season and the next were, so they didn’t know if they’d be renewed. This time they do, which gave them more freedom to split the season in a way that they can leave some threads hanging to build anticipation for the fourth season (or season 3b, as it were).
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If you don’t like having discussions of the show where people disagree with you, just unfollow the thread.
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Pretty sure this was debunked, but I do agree with the rest of what you said.
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That would be news to me considering they just mentioned it again yesterday on The Watch, and those guys are friends with Storer
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stop telling me to unfollow threads, i will never unfollow threads
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Season 1 ended with Carmy wanting to move on with his vision for The Bear, and Season 2 closed with them opening The Bear. There were definitely beats and threads that weren’t resolved and were left for the next season (if they were going to happen at all), but the main beats that were introduced had closure.
The Season 1 finale carefully threaded the needle of serving as a series finale and an easy jumping of point if they were allowed to make more seasons.
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Yeah but again, they weren’t guaranteed to have a season 2 or 3. That’s important context to how they write the end of the seasons.
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Agreed. That’s why they had closure!
We’re all going to die eventually so what’s the point of anything?
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Do you also get angry that people discuss things in all those other threads? Or only the ones where someone has a different opinion than you?
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