Agree - lived in ATL the past year and a half, and downtown is very situational. Should have clarified.
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As someone that’s spent a fair amount of time in really shitty neighborhoods, basically all you have to do is avoid empty streets, and not be a dick to avoid any kinds of problems that are worse than a prostitute asking for a cigarette, or a homeless person asking for money. Some of the most respectful conversations I’ve ever had in my life were with pimps, prostitutes and homeless folks knocking on my trucks door.
If you treat people like people, odds are no one will bother you in any kind of violent way.
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But what if they look scary? Does that mean I’m in danger?
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If you tell someone that looks scary to fuck off, and you don’t fuck off, you might run into an issue. But you know, that same rule applies in a small town bar among a bunch of 22 year old farmers sons.
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This also applies in my native Long Island, except with 20-50 year old Italians.
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I know Strapped just ended, but I keep wanting more. Just inject it straight into my veins.
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You’re in luck, I’ll be doing my own strappy road trip from Atlanta to Oklahoma starting tomorrow. Hitting Sweetens, then a quick nine in Memphis, something in Little Rock, and a final round in Tulsa. Follow the action live on my insta @jack.c.anderson.5
(full discussion leading up to this here: STRAPPED: The Cross-Country Moving Trip)
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Me: “oh cool, more posts in the Strapped Baltimore thread. Maybe they released the full @KVV interview”
Thread: people who haven’t been to Baltimore trying to shit on Baltimore, now with 100% more arguments that were used to justify white flight
Seriously, Baltimore is great and the idea that you shouldn’t bring your family there because it’s “dangerous” is laughable to anyone who has spent time there. Everything @aannddyy00 and @jandywlu said about dangerous places is facts. You are statistically about a million percent more likely to get murdered by someone you know than someone you don’t in the US, so from a pure numbers standpoint you are in more danger of getting gunned down in whatever “safe” suburb you live in than when you’re visiting a city—even a “dangerous” one.
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A list of cities that are more dangerous to be in than in the car on the way there:
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That’s an argument against traveling to Baltimore too, @anon26814599. 
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It’s an argument against traveling anywhere, including to work
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I live not too far from Baltimore and grew up visiting the city. The issue I see with Baltimore is they have a few tourist areas, but other than inner harbor, you have to go through “iffy” areas to get from one tourist spot to the next. A few weeks ago I took my family to the B and O railroad museum. It’s only a few blocks from the Inner Harbor, but it’s in/next to a sketchy neighborhood. They literally had armed security guards watching the parking lot. I would still go back again as we felt safe, but you can’t put your head in the sand and not realize you need to be smart.
The other issue I’ve seen is the city is having trouble “cleaning up” (not the right words, but I can’t think of the right words right now) multiple parts of the city. As soon as they make one part of the city safe, another starts to have issues. When I was a kid, the Fells Point/Little Italy area was dangerous. But now that area is thriving.
As a kid and as a single guy I never thought twice about going into the city. But with a wife and small kids, I definitely think about where and when I go to different parts of the city. I’ll always love Baltimore and will still make trips into the city. But I do hope they can get a stable government in place that can execute a solid plan to revitalize the city.
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A lawyer quoted me! Do I get to charge $1800 per hour spent on the refuge as an expert witness consultant???
The blatant excusing and point-missing and anecdotal silliness going on in this thread is frustrating.
People are stating the obvious by saying that GASP, cities have safe and unsafe neighborhoods! What a revelation!
I already mentioned this multiple times, but that’s not really the point.
The questions I have raised are being avoided in favor of rose-colored hope and typical whitewashing.
Just because the probability of something tragic happening is low doesn’t mean that’s enough to convince a family to travel there when other places have essentially ZERO violent crime. “Yeah, honey, instead of going to Cape Cod with our two young kids, let’s go to a place with more killings than a city 14 times its size”(see excerpt below). You guys act like it’s either Baltimore or nothing. Hello, there are better alternatives. And again, it’s not just about homicides either. It’s about the fear of being mugged, it’s about the vibe of a run-down area, it’s about a feeling of general discomfort. When you’re on vacation you don’t want to be on edge.
And we shouldn’t just limit this to a family visiting either. @jandywlu mentioned that locals should have more fear than visitors. I agree, so would you move your family to Baltimore? I wouldn’t even consider it. Why do you think home prices are so reasonable? I’m clearly not the only one who feels this way. It’s not the environment I want my kids to live in and I don’t think that’s an unreasonable take by any stretch.
Lastly, I want to get to @RobertHunter’s comment which was typically infuriating. It’s so clearly from someone who doesn’t have children. Is this not the peak of whitewashing? Dangerous in quotes? Going to Baltimore with my family is a choice I have, and even if the chance of being murdered is low, it’s much lower in plenty of other Eastern Seaboard locations. And again, it’s not just about homicides, it’s about getting robbed, witnessing crime, feeling uneasy, etc.
I want to know from Mr. Hunter, what level of violence would make you think twice about bringing your family to a city? Would you bring kids to Ciudad Juarez? What if Baltimore had CJ levels of crime? Read the excerpt below, it’s not a big leap. Hey, the chances are low! See if that gets approval from your wife.
How is this not rose-colored nonsense? As if innocent people are never robbed or beaten or worse. I may as well take my family through Watts and just “treat people like people” and hope for the best!
Look at this excerpt and try to downplay Baltimore’s problem.
At least someone is bringing a little nuance to the conversation.
And lastly, one of the worst points that I have seen on here. I need to drive to live my life. I don’t need to visit or live in Baltimore. Please go visit the favelas of Brazil if you have no fear of going anywhere.
But there are violent shark attacks and deaths there!! Isn’t it obvious you should never go there?
I prefer my muggings to be up front and physical, like Baltimore. I don’t enjoy being mugged by wall street fuck bois in Cape Cod. I’ll give up my wallet to save my retirement account.
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Golf in Cape Cod is surprisingly reasonable. First off, all the public courses have push carts and a number of towns have a 2-3 munis. Also, Highland Links is absolutely amazing. Everything else is too expensive, I go there because my dad lives there.
@Eric_Denver if you are in the Cape in August, maybe we can peg it with @anon26814599 and some of the other MA golfers.
Think about typing a post that long that was essentially just saying: I’d rather go where the most white people are.
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Imagine having so much white guilt that you ignore all statistical evidence and bring your family to a more dangerous city just to feel like some ally. I want to go where my family and I feel safe and comfortable. Race has nothing to do with it.
