Is there a Pasture Golf Association? Seems more up our alley
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Yeah, I think the PGA acronym is available for use.
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Just a thought but what if we had a rotating āhonorary proā from among the actual club pros on the refuge. Thereās got to be a few guys into the idea.
We can pay them in beer?
Creating a ānon-real estateā club with a state golf association is not selling out.
It is not embracing the USGA. It doesnāt mean the course will be āratedā because as far as the USGA knows it is a ānon-real estate clubā.
This is just a service. One that some members need and that other members would see as more of a feather-in-cap. Itās also a hell of a way to market and grow membership numbers. I mean, if MJ joined, whoās next?
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So to help educate those who may not know what that entailsā¦ does that mean you couldnāt post scores of what you shot at BCN, because there is no rating, but you could have an official index with your club affiliation being BCN?
Correct. You need a club to hold your GHIN Handicap. We would just be the club you hold your handicap at. No need to ever play BCN.
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also by being a club, can you raise money by having GHINs registered?
Donāt believe so. The GHIN holder would have to pay their yearly dues to the system but BCN wouldnāt get any of that coin.
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This is where I get conflicted. I would LOVE to have BCN listed as my home course when I enter tournaments here in TX but hate the idea of giving money to the USGA more. That said, I already pay the $40 or whatever to them because I do want an official GHIN so might as well do it through you guys and not another course where Iām not a formal member.
I think I just talked myself into thisā¦
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Thatās the spirit around the idea. Why pay some public course or whatever when you could list BCN as the club that holds the GHIN.
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Iām definitely onboard with this. I have my handicap through a USGA compliant club on TheGrint, but would love BCN to be the club on there.
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Iām in. I will proudly list my club as BCN in tournaments I play in/GHIN. Such a great idea.
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@GluteActivator, there are some details to consider:
Some state golf association events require you to hold a handicap within that state/section. Others donāt.
Also, there is a āposting seasonā in Kansas that may be a little different than your state.
I believe BCN would be a non-handicap Kansas GHIN. By supporting it and getting that BCN ābandā under your other club(s) is more a tip of the cap to BCN and all they stand for.
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Do you know how that works financially? Do you pay another fee to get the BCN ābandā under your other club, even if itās just a non-handicap Kansas GHIN?
You make a good point about the state specific rules, would have to look that up.
It is a good idea. Two comments I would add, having been involved in a āclub without a courseā previously.
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There is some administrative burden for the person(s) responsible for setting up the club. I believe it is mostly upfront, with limited annual repeat, but something to think about for guys already trying to spend as much time as possible working on the course. I guess you can do this part when it is dark, though.
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The easy way to generate some additional cash flow for BCN via this idea is to run the fees through BCN, and when each member pays their annual handicap fee, an additional $5-$15 is added. Many of the clubs that offer handicap services already do this. For example, you might pay $40 to your local course to keep your handicap, but they only pay $30 to the state golf association. We did this for another organization of which I am a part, and it generated a few hundred dollars for that organization, which could be repeated annually. Not that we need another reason to donate to BCN, but taking into account item 1 above, itās the least we could do if @sundaybag decides to do it. If a couple hundred guys ran their handicap through BCN, it could be a nice little annual cash flow for ongoing expenses.
Overall, very cool idea. Very supportive. Would love to see it benefit BCN financially and otherwise.
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Awesome advice. Do you have any insight to how said admin set it up for your non-course club.
Full disclosure - the online tracking fee for handicapping in Kansas is $22. I paid $40 to my club last year as you mentioned.
They contacted the association directly. In this case, it was the Southern California Golf Association. There was standard paperwork to be completed, and he needed to be sure he had enough members to make it worth it. The SCGA website makes it pretty easy.
http://www.scga.org/membership/form-your-own-club
It looks like Kansas has a similar process.
http://www.kansasgolf.org/handicapping/
Annual cost to the club is $160, and then $22 per member. So, very conservatively speaking, if you assume you get 25 members and charge them $40 each, it would look like this:
$1,000 cash inflow (25 members * $40 each) annually
($160) annual club payment to KGA
($550) individual handicap indexes (25 members * $22 each)
= $290 net benefit to BCN
At $40 per person (pretty standard I think), you needā¦
9 members to break even (10 or 11 if you want your index to be paid for)
After the first 9, every member brings in $18 to BCN, soā¦
- 25 members = $290 net ($18 * 16 members above 9 to break even)
- 50 members = $740 net ($18 * 41 members above 9 to break even)
- 100 members = $1,640 net
- 200 members = $3,440 net
You get the idea.
EDIT - looks like if you had over 100 members, the annual club fee in Kansas would go up to $200, but that would be ānice problem to have.ā
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