A Thread for Contrarian Takes


#363

Par is relevant


#364

Now this is just an abolutely awful take, par 70’s are great challenges. 4 par 5’s makes it too easy!


#365

Bunkers are too well-maintained on tour. They are meant to be hazards and should be difficult to play from them. I would love to see furrowed bunkers/rakes make a come back as Nicklaus tried in 2007.


#367

Next time I play golf with a buddy and they are excited about their birdie, I’m going to shit all over their parade.

PAR IS NOT RELEVANT CHAD, YOU NOW LAY 55 FOR THE DAY. DON’T ENJOY THAT HOLE. YOU DIDN’T EVEN HAVE TO THINK ABOUT YOUR OPTIONS.


#368

Imagine if they cut some trees down! You’d be some overcome with options you’d have a panic attack!


#369

I’ll never forget when Tiger shot 272 in the 2000 US Open and the rest of the field shot 287 or worse. Truly iconic numbers, etched into the minds of golf fans forever!


#370

How about when Charl Schwartzel finished with a 4, 2, 3 and 3 at the 2011 Masters becoming the first ever winner to do that!


#371

Couldn’t agree more. I think guys like TFE are great for educating people about history and architecture concepts. But they lose me with all of the judgmental takes on players, courses, tournaments and “how golf is supposed to be played”.


#372

Sean makes an invaluable point here (without actually making it). Par as we know it is simply another way to keep score. The “par is irrelevant” crowd just needs to pay attention to a course’s RATING and they’ll be happy. Their solution already exists…


#373

This post will be under appreciated.


#374

Tiger’s chip-in in 2005 was iconic, but people forget that he took 10 strokes over the next two holes to golf his ball into the cup…


#375

Does anyone know what the Masters gives out crystal for? It seems random. Sometimes guys get it for making a 1, sometimes for a 2, and other times for a 3. I can’t freaking figure out why though. Like I know you get crystal for making a 3 on 15, but you don’t if you get a 3 on 16 or 17.


#376

There’s some nuance here that you’re deliberately missing.


#377

That par is relevant?


#378

It’s my own fault… I buried it in a thread that’s soon to be 400 posts…


#379

Criticizing the “par doesn’t matter crowd” for being pedantic about par/strokes taken loses a bit of its distance when you’re taking this many strokes yourself:

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#380

Ah well I guess we can’t talk or joke about it anymore. Darn.


#381

What if I told you that par can be both a useful tool for tournament scoring but also an arbitrary number that doesn’t take into account the conditions of the course, the skill of the field, or the variances caused by teeing off at different times of day on different starting holes?


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#382

I would agree with you. But something that you acknowledge as “a useful tool” is hardly irrelevant.

Par might not be the most important thing in the world, but its not irrelevant.


#383

lol, you’re friends with Chads.